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Title: Italy rabbis pull out of dialogue, accuse Pope
Source: .reuters.
URL Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE50C7KF20090113
Published: Jan 15, 2009
Author: reuters
Post Date: 2009-01-15 00:56:04 by WhiteSands
Comments: 16

Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:08pm EST By Philip Pullella http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE50C7KF20090113 ROME (Reuters) - A leading Italian rabbi Tuesday accused Pope Benedict of wiping out 50 years of progress in Catholic-Jewish dialogue and announced that Italian Jews will boycott an annual Church celebration of Judaism. Elia Enrico Richetti, chief rabbi of Venice, said in an editorial in a Jesuit journal that the main reason for the rabbis' decision to boycott was the reintroduction last year of a Holy Week prayer for the conversion of the Jews.

"If (to the prayer) we add the pope's recent statements on dialogue being useless because the Christian faith is superior, it is clear that we are moving toward the cancellation of 50 years of Church history," he wrote in the Jesuit journal Popoli. Last year the Vatican revised a contested Latin prayer used by traditionalist Catholics on Good Friday, the day marking Jesus Christ's crucifixion.

But Jews criticized the new version because it still says they should recognize Jesus Christ as the savior of all men. It asks that "all Israel may be saved" and Jews said it kept an underlying call to conversion that they had wanted removed.

In his editorial explaining the decision to boycott the Church's day celebrating Judaism, marked on January 17, Richetti said Italian Jewish leaders had found their discussions with Vatican officials over the prayer frustrating and indicated that Catholic leaders had treated them in a patronizing way.

"The interruption of cooperation between Italian Judaism and the Church is the logical consequence of the position of the Church as expressed by its highest authorities," Richetti wrote. Another factor that has strained relations between Catholics and Jews in recent months is the figure of wartime Pope Pius XII, who reigned from 1939 to 1958. Some Jews say Pius remained silent and turned a blind eye to the Holocaust while the Vatican says he worked behind the scenes to save Jews.

Jews have asked the pope to freeze the procedure that could lead to Pius being made a saint. Relations between Catholics and Jews made great advances under the 27-year-long pontificate of the late Pope John Paul, who died in 2005. He was the first pope to visit a synagogue and led the Vatican to diplomatic relations with Israel.

But many Jews have said they sense that the clock is being turned back under the papacy of Benedict, who has made the revitalization of traditional Catholic identity one of his goals. Benedict is due to visit Holy Land sites in Israel and the occupied West Bank in May but some diplomats say Israel's siege of Gaza has put the trip into doubt.

Last week, a senior aide to the pope, Cardinal Renato Martino, angered Israel and many Jews by calling Gaza "a big concentration camp." Catholic-Jewish dialogue began in earnest after the 1962-1965 Second Vatican Council, with which repudiated the concept of collective Jewish guilt for Christ's death.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Some Jews say Pius remained silent and turned a blind eye to the Holocaust while the Vatican says he worked behind the scenes to save Jews.

WhiteSands  posted on  2009-01-15   0:56:21 ET  [Locked]   Trace  


#2. To: WhiteSands (#1)

The Church did save Jews during the war. They were mostly kids and were hidden in monasteries.

The down side was that they were all converted to Catholicism.

Magician  posted on  2009-01-15   1:13:15 ET  [Locked]   Trace  


#3. To: Magician (#2)

Wrong.

Individual Catholics saved Some Jews.

The Church sided with Hitler 110%.

WhiteSands  posted on  2009-01-15   1:19:19 ET  [Locked]   Trace  


#4. To: WhiteSands (#3)

I'm quite certain that monasteries and nunneries in the Catholic countries did indeed save some Jewish children. But they were converted to Catholicism.

Magician  posted on  2009-01-15   1:35:12 ET  [Locked]   Trace  


#5. To: Magician (#4)

Which European nation and camp where you in?

If I told you what my Father did for your people you'd bring me fruit each week.

WhiteSands  posted on  2009-01-15   1:41:58 ET  [Locked]   Trace  


#6. To: WhiteSands (#5)

Which European nation and camp where you in?

My parents came to the U.S. in 1910 from Russia. I was born and raised in Detroit.

Magician  posted on  2009-01-15   1:49:00 ET  [Locked]   Trace  


#7. To: Magician (#6)

You are blessed.

peace

WhiteSands  posted on  2009-01-15   1:49:59 ET  [Locked]   Trace  


#8. To: WhiteSands (#5)

If I told you what my Father did for your people you'd bring me fruit each week.

Tell me and I may indeed bring fruit.

Magician  posted on  2009-01-15   1:50:12 ET  [Locked]   Trace  


#9. To: Magician (#8)

I can't here.

I wish there was a way for private messaging here.

Tell you what, you have my permission to Ask Goldi for my Email.

Goldi-Lox, Please allow Dr Magician to have access to my private info so he may contact me.

WhiteSands  posted on  2009-01-15   1:54:28 ET  [Locked]   Trace  


#10. To: Goldi-lox (#9)

Thank you!

WhiteSands  posted on  2009-01-15   1:56:14 ET  [Locked]   Trace  


#11. To: Magician (#8)

Crown Royal right?

WhiteSands  posted on  2009-01-15   1:59:39 ET  [Locked]   Trace  


#12. To: WhiteSands (#9)

I'll contact you in the next day or so via e-mail.

Magician  posted on  2009-01-15   2:32:18 ET  [Locked]   Trace  


#13. To: WhiteSands, Goldi-Lox (#9)

Goldi-Lox, Please allow Dr Magician to have access to my private info so he may contact me.

Goldi-Lox, is it possible for me to have the e-mail address of White Sands, so we can correspond privately? Alternatively, you can give White Sands my e-mail address.

Magician  posted on  2009-01-15   2:39:10 ET  [Locked]   Trace  


#14. To: Magician, Goldi-Lox (#13)

100% OK by Me Goldi-Lox

Thank you!

WhiteSands  posted on  2009-01-15   2:40:38 ET  [Locked]   Trace  


#15. To: White Sands (#0)

But many Jews have said they sense that the clock is being turned back under the papacy of Benedict, who has made the revitalization of traditional Catholic identity one of his goals. Benedict is due to visit Holy Land sites in Israel and the occupied West Bank in May but some diplomats say Israel's siege of Gaza has put the trip into doubt.

I doubt the Jews would want the Roman Catholic Cult to meddle in their religious affairs, so Jews should mind their own business and let the bloody Vatican forge history to create another "saint," call for Israel's "conversion," or make outrageous comparisons between Israelis and Nazis.

Have the Jews forgotten popes are lying politicians who speak out of both sides of their mouths? How woefully ignorant of the Jews to vainly imagine the Babylonian Mystery religion, aka the Roman Catholic Church, has changed its spots. Like some of the Nazi Muslims, they change their strategy, but their goal remains the same: the death or conversion of Jews and subjugation of Jerusalem.

May our Great Creator God bless both Roman Catholics and Jews to come to perceive Yeshua is the Son of Man, the Priest and King of Israel, and let go of idolatrous traditions that stink to High Heaven.

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David Ben-Ariel  posted on  2009-01-15   12:31:05 ET  [Locked]   Trace  


#16. To: WhiteSands, *For Your Information* (#3)

The Church sided with Hitler 110%.

Could you explain why the Church would side with a movement who wanted to restore pagan religion and eradicate Christianity?

A Pole  posted on  2009-01-24   10:02:17 ET  [Locked]   Trace  


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